But foreal doe, they're all slow. Lol. I really didn't know how I was gonna feel about this engine, I looked for a couple months for a later second gen that didn't have a pile of miles on it but most importantly a manual. Didn't have that great of luck. I test drove a 17 or 18 auto and hated it, like so much! My wife sorta surprised me and got the dealership to get in the manual sport, took a few weeks and she told me in the meantime. I still wasn't sure how I'd like it but said screw it and we bought it. Ended up being a little cheaper than the few 2nd gens I found with 50K plus miles and it had less than 200 miles,... figured it wasn't the worst decision I've ever made. Lol. OV took care of the annoying bog at take off and smoothed out acceleration. I really do like the baby engine, I'm not just another fan-boy,... like Nancy. [emoji23] JK Nancy,... It pulls great all the way up to redline. #NORAGRETS here. Lol. But when I actually want to go fast, I hop into something with a couple more pistons and less tuning issues. Haha! Next project is a heavy hitting Hemi stuffed into a Dakota with 100% custom, bouncy suspension. It might start coming together by next summer. You might can tell by all my BS thread post, but I've kinda had a lot going on this summer. Lol. Stay cool, kp. I just know how much you hate the 3rd gens so I had to fuel the fire! Haha