The 2017 TRD Pro Tacoma is here!!!

TacoRick said:
No, you're clearly the expert troll.

Right, "mall control" because you don't have it. In other words, "I'm gonna knock anything that the 3rd gens can do better than my old truck because, wah wah wah, it just isn't fair."

Seriously, the fact that you think you can mimic crawl control with your feet just proves how deluded you really are. You cannot control the brakes and throttle going to each individual wheel. You would gag on your own smoke cloud trying. But good luck. And still, there's the MTS, which you also can't mimic.
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I have ATRAC which does control the brakes to each individual wheel. The system cannot control the amount of throttle going to each wheel because there is one engine throttle for the entire drivetrain, not an individual engine with it's own throttle for each wheel. The speed knob just sets a speed at which you want to go which can be set using my foot.

MTS is just volume control for the brake distribution so you get that with your 44 seconds of an unrealistic test up a mountain.

In the end the systems can get you stuck because they are not constant like a locker. I've demonstrated before just how you can lose momentum with the system on because you have to lose traction in order for it to work. Hit the locker and went up the same obstacle without a hiccup. It's a decent system but nowhere near a substitute for a real locker. Also don't let it trigger constantly because they system can overheat and leave you with open diffs. <---That one is in the manual you probably didn't read.

This must be your first vehicle or just first 4wd vehicle. Did you roll into the dealer and say "I want that one" and just throw money out?
 
whippersnapper02 said:
I have ATRAC which does control the brakes to each individual wheel. The system cannot control the amount of throttle going to each wheel because there is one engine throttle for the entire drivetrain, not an individual engine with it's own throttle for each wheel. The speed knob just sets a speed at which you want to go which can be set using my foot.

MTS is just volume control for the brake distribution so you get that with your 44 seconds of an unrealistic test up a mountain.

In the end the systems can get you stuck because they are not constant like a locker. I've demonstrated before just how you can lose momentum with the system on because you have to lose traction in order for it to work. Hit the locker and went up the same obstacle without a hiccup. It's a decent system but nowhere near a substitute for a real locker. Also don't let it trigger constantly because they system can overheat and leave you with open diffs. <---That one is in the manual you probably didn't read.

This must be your first vehicle or just first 4wd vehicle.
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Nope, second off roader of my own, but I did plenty of wheeling when I was younger and building game fences, it was part of the job.

You need to learn more about crawl control. If you want to argue about how it functions then take it up with the engineers who designed it. Just be prepared to be put in your place. Both throttle and brakes are controlled at each wheel, much like AutoLSD.
 
TacoRick said:
Nope, second off roader of my own, but I did plenty of wheeling when I was younger and building game fences, it was part of the job.

You need to learn more about crawl control. If you want to argue about how it functions then take it up with the engineers who designed it. Just be prepared to be put in your place. Both throttle and brakes are controlled at each wheel, much like AutoLSD.
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Auto LSD only controls the brakes. The manual specifically states there is no throttle control in ALSD mode. Of course things may have change since ATRAC was introduced in 2009 and the new truck but Toyota doesn't change things like that. The brake booster/master cylinder/abs distribution pump in your 16 is the same part number as the 09 Tacoma.

How can you control throttle at each wheel when there is only one throttle and one engine? Manipulating the throttle would affect all wheels just like with my foot.

From Toyota's site:

"Crawl Control
When the trail gets challenging, Tacoma TRD Off-Road’s Crawl Control (CRAWL) 25 is here to help you conquer your off-road adventure. This advanced system automatically modulates the throttle and brakes on five low-speed settings so you can keep your focus on navigating across difficult terrain."

Says throttle not throttles on individual wheels and the 5 settings is the vehicle speed. Do you want turtle or rabbit speed?

"Multi-terrain Select

Tacoma TRD Off-Road features Multi-terrain Select. With five modes to choose from, this system helps regulate wheelspin by automatically adjusting the engine throttle and traction control. When combined with standard Goodyear Wrangler® tires with tough Kevlar® construction, Multi-terrain Select helps improve traction dramatically, meaning you can get back to the fun more quickly."

Again says one throttle. The MTS knobs just adjusts the intensity like a volume knob. My foot can control the throttle.

ATRAC controls the brakes in the same manor but with only one intensity level. There is no throttle control with ATRAC but that's fine since my foot works.

Click learning mode to see how ATRAC and ALSD works: http://www.majormedia2.com/4WDSimplifiedv5/4WD.html
 
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whippersnapper02 said:
Auto LSD only controls the brakes. The manual specifically states there is no throttle control in ALSD mode. Of course things may have change since ATRAC was introduced in 2009 and the new truck but Toyota doesn't change things like that. The brake booster/master cylinder/abs distribution pump in your 16 is the same part number as the 09 Tacoma.

How can you control throttle at each wheel when there is only one throttle and one engine? Manipulating the throttle would affect all wheels just like with my foot.
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The wheel(s) getting brakes doesn't get throttle, and vice versa.
 
TacoRick said:
The wheel(s) getting brakes doesn't get throttle, and vice versa.
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I have since changed my response.

They are still getting engine power though because there is no way to separate that wheel(s) from the rest of the drivetrain. The brakes are just slowing the wheel down (sometimes stopping it for an instate) so that engine power stops going through the path of least resistance and goes the other way which is hypothetically the wheel(s) with traction.
 
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whippersnapper02 said:
I have since changed my response.

They are still getting engine power though because there is no way to separate that wheel(s) from the rest of the drivetrain. The brakes are just slowing the wheel down (sometimes stopping it for an instate) so that engine power stops going through the path of least resistance and goes the other way which is hypothetically the wheel(s) with traction.
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Basically, yes.
 
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Scuzzy said:
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So if I just post pictures I can be an expert too? Ok...

Front suspension when I first installed it:



Rear suspension when I installed it:



Swapped out my Light Racing uppers for Icon uniballs:



My supercharger install:













Can I haz experts status now?
 
whippersnapper02 said:
So if I just post pictures I can be an expert too? Ok...

Front suspension when I first installed it:



Rear suspension when I installed it:



Swapped out my Light Racing uppers for Icon uniballs:



My supercharger install:













Can I haz experts status now?
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You know it all. No one knows that better than you
 
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